How much did each vote cost the Presidential candidates? Thevocalibertarian breaks it down.

thevocalibertarian:

We hit 1% (1.1mm) of the vote on only $2 million dollars. Obama/Romney spent $1 BILLION each for 59.5mm and 56.9mm respective votes.  BO spent $16.78 per vote. MR spent $17.56 per vote. GJ spent $1.75 per vote.

How much did each vote cost the Presidential candidates? Thevocalibertarian breaks it down. 

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I’m an undecided voter.

I don’t know if I want to give REP & DEM the finger and vote Johnson or the double finger and write-in Ron Paul. 

-@Suga_Shane

Today we will all elect, regardless of what useless name we select, the Federal Reserve for the 24th consecutive Presidential election. That’s 100 years of financial enslavement for all Americans, no matter if you are blue or red, 99% or 1%. Congratulations, Fed, on four more years of legalized plunder.

statehate:

Writing in Ron Paul just to piss off the Gary Johnson acolytes.

Ricardo’s the best. 

10 Reasons You Shouldn’t Vote Obama

classical-liberal:


  1. While Barack Obama has been in office he has added 6.5 trillion dollars to the national debt.[1] The debt to person ration is greater than 50,000 dollars and will burden our generation with paying it. The government has grown far too large and it is necessary to cut down on entitlement programs/military/enforcing unnecessary laws. Barack Obama claims that in the next 10 years we will be able to cut the debt down by 4 trillion. I don’t see why we should believe this when he has claimed he was going to address the debt while running in 07’/08’.[2] At best he wouldn’t even break even during his terms.
  2. Barack Obama smoked marijuana and did cocaine in high-school but won’t even submit legislation to congress to legalize marijuana.[3/4] He has actually hypocritically cracked down on more MEDICAL marijuana dispensaries than the Bush administration.[5] Do you think Obama’s life would have been better if he would have been caught smoking marijuana or doing cocaine when he was younger like he wants to do to those who use it now? No, he would have never been to office to arrest and fine those who do those things now. It’s ridiculous and the amount of money we spend on marijuana offenders is appalling.
  3. President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for 2012. This bill allows the president and all future presidents to indefinitely detain people.[6/7] This means they can hold innocent people without charging them of a crime or allowing them their civil rights, including a right to a fair trial.
  4. The president panders to the gay community by claiming support with empty statements. He uses his statement “….gays should be able to get married” as a political move. Liberals view this supposed change of stance as an “evolution of views” while they attack Mitt Romney on being a flip-flopper. Barack Obama believes that gay’s being able to get married is a “state’s issue”.[8] This would be one of the few times Barack Obama agrees with the constitution. Barack
  5. Barack Obama is the first president to assassinate a US citizen. (And his completely innocent 16 y/o son). [9] Their names were Anwar al-awlaki and Abdul al-awlaki. Anwar wasn’t a good person and he was dangerous but this kind of action is crossing a line that shouldn’t be crossed. When the president has the ability to do things like this it can be dangerous for the population. This is one instance but the Pentagon has stated that he is allowed do this when he wants. Would you want this power to fall into the wrong hands? With the assassination of Anwar’s son it appears it already has.
  6. Barack Obama DID NOT end the war in Iraq. Our military still has a presence in Iraq and Obama wanted to keep more troops in Iraq. George Bush actually signed the agreement to get troops out of Iraq so you can thank him for the amount that actually did leave. [10] Barack Obama will claim that he “ended the war in Iraq” which is false. You should not support someone who is not honest with their claims in office.
  7. Barack Obama has ordered hundreds of more drone strikes which have killed hundreds of innocent people including people uninvolved and children. [11] Then Obama calls all boys above 15 killed by the drone strike “militant” to make his record of target to civilian ration look better.[12] Again, do you want someone this dishonest in office? The use of drone strikes creates blowback which leads people to join al-Qaeda as well. An over-intrusive foreign policy creates enemies which leads to terrorism against the US. We are endangering ourself by continuing to be so involved with business that isn’t ours.
  8. Obama receives funding to his campaign from special interest groups like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan and Citigroup. [13] Obama then uses the Federal Reserve to manipulate our currency and manipulate our interest rates to their advantage.
  9. Obama continues to allow the Federal Reserve National Bank to manipulate the US dollar creating inflation. This inflation literally steals value from the dollars you own. The Fed then lends out money to banks at manipulated rates to discourage people from saving money. This is under the guise of creating economic stimulus but what do we have to show for it? A really bad economy. This creates a boom in the economy shortly but then results in a slow in economic spending that’s even worse and lasts longer. What should be very troubling though is that the money stolen from the dollar goes to rich bank owners. [14]
  10.  Most people will say “Yeah, but Mitt Romney is worse” I would disagree but I don’t support Mitt Romney. If we continue to support the lesser of two evils our government will progress to become more corrupt and intrusive. I want to live in a nation were people can be free. I want to be in a nation with an open and honest government. I want to be in a nation were I can make decisions about my body as well as everyone. I want to be in a nation more prosperous. The United States used to be the most free country on the planet? We ruled under the constitution and under ideas of John Locke. Now a days people who believe this is the way our nation should be are considered “radical”.

The thing is…when it comes to most of these issues Mitt Romney isn’t any better. He still supports NDAA, drones and is anti-gay marriage, pro-Federal Reserve, Pro-Big Government, Pro-War, Anti-Marijuana, Anti-Recreational Drug, and doesn’t have a good enough debt plan.

Tomorrow is is election day. I hope I’ve made some of you think twice before you vote tomorrow. If you’re not convinced Barack Obama isn’t worth reelecting please look at these:

1. 1001 Reasons Not to Vote For Obama

2. 100 ways Obama is like Bush

Sources:

[1] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/ 

[2]http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/President/US/Barack_Obama/Views/Debt,_Deficit,_Spending,_and_the_Size_of_Government/ 

[3] http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/12/12695610-feds-target-20-million-weed-wars-medical-marijuana-dispensary-in-calif?lite

[4] http://www.inquisitr.com/372821/trump-bombshell-revealed-college-pal-claims-obama-used-and-sold-cocaine-report/

[5] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/war-on-weed-obama-marijuana_n_1005483.html 

[6] http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/ndaa 

[7] http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/21/were-all-in-detention-now

[8] http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1696360/president-obama-same-sex-marriage-equality.jhtml 

[9] http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/13/in-assassinating-anwar-al-awlaki-obama-left-the-constitution-behind.html

[10] http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-iraq/index.html

[11]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/10/drone_strikes_map_shows_pakistan_drone_strikes.html

[12] http://news.yahoo.com/report-obama-redefines-militant-avoid-counting-civilian-drone-172500804.html

[13] http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12355296-top-10-contributors-to-barack-obama-goldman-sachs-jpmorgan-citigroup

[14] http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-reasons-why-the-federal-reserve-is-bad

10 Reasons You Shouldn’t Vote Obama… or Romney or any Republican or Democrat ever again.

EDIT: Fixed the links on the citations. 

I was driving to a meeting and I saw a Dodgers billboard and I felt inspired. When I got to the office, I quickly put my magical MS Paint skills to work. (I stole the drone from here).
Feel free to use this how ever and where ever you want. 
@Suga_Shane

I was driving to a meeting and I saw a Dodgers billboard and I felt inspired. When I got to the office, I quickly put my magical MS Paint skills to work. (I stole the drone from here).

Feel free to use this how ever and where ever you want. 

@Suga_Shane

Celebrities that support libertarians:
Drew Carey
Vince Vaughn
Brad Pitt
Celebrities that pretend they support libertarians:
Clint Eastwood
Bill Maher

Celebrities that support libertarians:

Drew Carey

Vince Vaughn

Brad Pitt

Celebrities that pretend they support libertarians:

Clint Eastwood

Bill Maher

I haven’t decided if I’m going to vote Johnson or write in Ron Paul (or maybe write in someone badass) but the one thing I do know is that I’m not voting for killing children. People know that I won’t vote for Obama or Romney and yet they try to convince me to do so with their scare tactics. I keep hearing about how a Vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama/Romney and that’s terrible. 
I just respond by saying a vote for Obama or Romney is a vote for dead children. Once you know that both of these candidates support drone warfare which kills more women, children and innocent civilians than it will ever kill so call “terrorists” and if you still vote for Obama or Romney, you are, by proxy, in support of killing innocent children and I will forever view you as the war mongering, child killing ignoramus that you deserve to be labeled as. 
There is no excuse to vote for either of these two, not with all of the information that is available on both of them and the policies that they support and enact. NO EXCUSE. You want a socialist Utopia, vote Jill Stein. You want real freedom, peace and prosperity, vote Gary Johnson. You want to kill children and live in fear for the next four years, then by all means, vote for Obama or Romney, doesn’t matter which one, they are two sides of the same bloody coin. 
@Suga_Shane
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I haven’t decided if I’m going to vote Johnson or write in Ron Paul (or maybe write in someone badass) but the one thing I do know is that I’m not voting for killing children. People know that I won’t vote for Obama or Romney and yet they try to convince me to do so with their scare tactics. I keep hearing about how a Vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama/Romney and that’s terrible. 

I just respond by saying a vote for Obama or Romney is a vote for dead children. Once you know that both of these candidates support drone warfare which kills more women, children and innocent civilians than it will ever kill so call “terrorists” and if you still vote for Obama or Romney, you are, by proxy, in support of killing innocent children and I will forever view you as the war mongering, child killing ignoramus that you deserve to be labeled as. 

There is no excuse to vote for either of these two, not with all of the information that is available on both of them and the policies that they support and enact. NO EXCUSE. You want a socialist Utopia, vote Jill Stein. You want real freedom, peace and prosperity, vote Gary Johnson. You want to kill children and live in fear for the next four years, then by all means, vote for Obama or Romney, doesn’t matter which one, they are two sides of the same bloody coin. 

@Suga_Shane

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Why Democrats are voting for Gary Johnson.

Why Democrats are voting for Gary Johnson.

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One of my problems with Gary Johnson

moralanarchism:

sugashane:

moralanarchism:

sugashane:

moralanarchism:

  • Good:  He wants to abolish the IRS.  He wants to abolish the income tax.  He wants to abolish corporate taxes.
  • Bad:  He wants to then replace those taxes with the fair tax.

You don’t replace one cancer with another cancer.  So why would you replace one immoral theft of property with another immoral theft of property? 

He just isn’t a strong libertarian. 

Baby steps. 

You can’t just abolish everything over night and expect society to continue to function without any issues. 

Change, especially as dramatic as what you or I want, can’t be instantaneous. We need to implement the most acceptable of our, what other’s see as extreme, ideas. That’s where you start. If you want someone to jump out of an airplane you have to first convince them to put on the parachute and get on the plane. 

Those taxes go to pay for a lot of goods and services. We can’t just leave these people out of a job over night. There has to be a period to transition. We need to wind down operations and allow private sector solutions to ramp up and replace what we will no longer be paying for. 

Even Ron Paul has acknowledged that he wouldn’t abolish the Fed right away and maybe not at all. He’d only remove their monopoly and allow competing currencies to participate in the market place. 

So, am I a fan of the fair tax? No, but it is a good start on a path to complete dismantling and removal of the income tax system. 

I never said the change can or would happen over night. 

But there is a big difference between advocating for elimination of theft and aggression and settling/compromising for less theft and aggression.  Which is why I still vote.  I think of it as an act of self defense and not endorsing or legitimizing an immoral system. 

While I might agree that the fair tax is better than our system it isn’t something a libertarian should advocate for since it is still theft of private property and a violation of the non-aggression principle. 

As for Ron Paul, he always said his ultimate goal is voluntarism.  He knew that goal couldn’t be accomplished over night which is why he sometimes had to comprise to get there he still had the ultimate goal of self-governance. 

Right, 100% agree. All taxation is a violation of people’s property rights and a violation of the NAP. 

BUT, there’s no way, right now, America would elect someone that advocates ZERO income tax. 

Sounds crazy, but most of America is brain washed to think that we need income tax and that we’ve always had income tax. I’d be more concerned with where Gary Johnson wants America to be in 25 or 50 years than with his willingness to replace the income tax with a Fair Tax system.

Here’s the thing about Ron Paul, most people aren’t ready for Ron Paul. They have been told for their entire lives that taxes keep us safe, healthy, fed and civilized. Blame gov’t education, blame the baby boomers who are unwilling to let go of Medicare and Social Security, blame the media, it doesn’t matter. People aren’t ready for the extreme view. 

So I say give them a taste. Abolish the Fed, the IRS and replace the income tax system with a smaller, “fair” system and let people get a taste. They will love it and as for more rollback. We can’t make people drink, but we got to get them to the watering hole first.

If I were to have it my way, I wouldn’t even want Ron Paul as President. I’d want no President at all and I’m sure you agree. But these things take time when done in a peaceful, democratic fashion.

Of course the alternative to this type of progressive change is the violent brand of revolution that we fought in 1776. Pretty sure none of us would prefer that over the democratic flavor. 

If Gary Johnson actually had a chance in Hell of winning I might agree with you.  But sadly he doesn’t.  Which is why I’d much rather have a strong libertarian getting the message out of voluntarism, anarchism, and educating people on the non-aggression principle. 

I’m not sure about you but I discovered the liberty movement through Ron Paul.  If Ron Paul was more wishy washy like Gary Johnson is on libertarianism I probably wouldn’t have been as enthused about it.  I probably wouldn’t have dedicated myself into learning Austrian economics. 

And I’m also 100% against any violate brand of revolution.  I think the revolution has to come in the form of ideas.  Through a fundamental change in the ethics of morality.  We need to educate and inform people that if it is wrong for me to steal from you then it is also wrong for the government to steal from you.  There is absolutely no moral difference in either act of aggression.  Neither should be justified in any way shape or form. 

You’re right. I want to rescind everything I said.  Even if Johnson had a chance, I’d still prefer a staunch Libertarian as opposed to a loose one, not just because of libertarianism, but because I like people who stick to their principles. 

I registered to be a Libertarian 10 years ago. Didn’t even know who Ron Paul was yet. I liked the LP platform and I was finally old enough to vote so they won me over. But Ron Paul has been like no other. The man really sticks to the core principles on almost every issue, which is hard to do in general and nearly impossible for a politician. I went from a passive libertarian, to a vocal one in 2008 and into a full blown anarcho-capitalist about 2 years ago. It’s been a fun journey of discovery and I also thank Dr. Paul for showing me the door. 

I’m still split on voting Johnson or going full fuck-this-bullshit and writing in Ron Paul. I probably won’t make up my mind until I mark my ballot. 

One of my problems with Gary Johnson

moralanarchism:

sugashane:

moralanarchism:

  • Good:  He wants to abolish the IRS.  He wants to abolish the income tax.  He wants to abolish corporate taxes.
  • Bad:  He wants to then replace those taxes with the fair tax.

You don’t replace one cancer with another cancer.  So why would you replace one immoral theft of property with another immoral theft of property? 

He just isn’t a strong libertarian. 

Baby steps. 

You can’t just abolish everything over night and expect society to continue to function without any issues. 

Change, especially as dramatic as what you or I want, can’t be instantaneous. We need to implement the most acceptable of our, what other’s see as extreme, ideas. That’s where you start. If you want someone to jump out of an airplane you have to first convince them to put on the parachute and get on the plane. 

Those taxes go to pay for a lot of goods and services. We can’t just leave these people out of a job over night. There has to be a period to transition. We need to wind down operations and allow private sector solutions to ramp up and replace what we will no longer be paying for. 

Even Ron Paul has acknowledged that he wouldn’t abolish the Fed right away and maybe not at all. He’d only remove their monopoly and allow competing currencies to participate in the market place. 

So, am I a fan of the fair tax? No, but it is a good start on a path to complete dismantling and removal of the income tax system. 

I never said the change can or would happen over night. 

But there is a big difference between advocating for elimination of theft and aggression and settling/compromising for less theft and aggression.  Which is why I still vote.  I think of it as an act of self defense and not endorsing or legitimizing an immoral system. 

While I might agree that the fair tax is better than our system it isn’t something a libertarian should advocate for since it is still theft of private property and a violation of the non-aggression principle. 

As for Ron Paul, he always said his ultimate goal is voluntarism.  He knew that goal couldn’t be accomplished over night which is why he sometimes had to comprise to get there he still had the ultimate goal of self-governance. 

Right, 100% agree. All taxation is a violation of people’s property rights and a violation of the NAP. 

BUT, there’s no way, right now, America would elect someone that advocates ZERO income tax. 

Sounds crazy, but most of America is brain washed to think that we need income tax and that we’ve always had income tax. I’d be more concerned with where Gary Johnson wants America to be in 25 or 50 years than with his willingness to replace the income tax with a Fair Tax system.

Here’s the thing about Ron Paul, most people aren’t ready for Ron Paul. They have been told for their entire lives that taxes keep us safe, healthy, fed and civilized. Blame gov’t education, blame the baby boomers who are unwilling to let go of Medicare and Social Security, blame the media, it doesn’t matter. People aren’t ready for the extreme view. 

So I say give them a taste. Abolish the Fed, the IRS and replace the income tax system with a smaller, “fair” system and let people get a taste. They will love it and as for more rollback. We can’t make people drink, but we got to get them to the watering hole first.

If I were to have it my way, I wouldn’t even want Ron Paul as President. I’d want no President at all and I’m sure you agree. But these things take time when done in a peaceful, democratic fashion.

Of course the alternative to this type of progressive change is the violent brand of revolution that we fought in 1776. Pretty sure none of us would prefer that over the democratic flavor. 

One of my problems with Gary Johnson

moralanarchism:

  • Good:  He wants to abolish the IRS.  He wants to abolish the income tax.  He wants to abolish corporate taxes.
  • Bad:  He wants to then replace those taxes with the fair tax.

You don’t replace one cancer with another cancer.  So why would you replace one immoral theft of property with another immoral theft of property? 

He just isn’t a strong libertarian. 

Baby steps. 

You can’t just abolish everything over night and expect society to continue to function without any issues. 

Change, especially as dramatic as what you or I want, can’t be instantaneous. We need to implement the most acceptable of our, what other’s see as extreme, ideas. That’s where you start. If you want someone to jump out of an airplane you have to first convince them to put on the parachute and get on the plane. 

Those taxes go to pay for a lot of goods and services. We can’t just leave these people out of a job over night. There has to be a period to transition. We need to wind down operations and allow private sector solutions to ramp up and replace what we will no longer be paying for. 

Even Ron Paul has acknowledged that he wouldn’t abolish the Fed right away and maybe not at all. He’d only remove their monopoly and allow competing currencies to participate in the market place. 

So, am I a fan of the fair tax? No, but it is a good start on a path to complete dismantling and removal of the income tax system. 

Reblog if you watched the Free and Equal 3rd Party Presidential Debate

thevocalibertarian:

beatyourselfup:

 

So worth it.

TinyChat Commentary > CNN » msNBC »»»> FOX. 

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