shut the fuck up don’t you fucking dare use my ancestors as props in your fucking second amendment bullshit campaign. fuck you please go feel horrible
"Your" ancestors are "my" ancestors, as well.
Armenians were disarmed and then disbanded and then disemboweled.
This isn’t opinion, this is fact. The fact that you are completely ignorant pains me. Your ancestors suffered and you’ve learned nothing from it. Actually it’s much worse than that. You’re doing them a disservice, you’ve let them lose their lives in vain by supporting the very laws and ideas which led to the murder of 1.5 million innocent “ancestors”.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Your support of gun control might as well be support for the Young Turks and heir bloody genocide. You might as well get into a time machine, go back and slaughter your own great great grandparents with your own misguided, ignorant hands.
The only person to survive on my father’s side was my great grandfather, who lost 7 brothers and sisters, and his son, my grandfather. 30 years later, in 1945, my grandfather moved back to USSR controlled, gun-control heavy Eastern Armenia to help ignite a revolution and win back the historic lands as well as the freedom of the Armenians but the Soviets tossed him into Siberia for over a decade where they tortured him until he lost the use of his legs. This is real history, not some liberal-bias, fantasy bullshit.
Only a fool would think that shining light on the tragic history of the oppressed is to use them as a prop. You are that fool.
Now you go feel horrible.
Overall death count due to Marxism and gun control is 220,000,000 and counting. Yet American liberals want to point out the evils of a “few” million under Hitler. Next time they do, give them that number.
Liberal hypocrites (communists) have caused the most death and suffering than all other groups in history COMBINED.
Read a real history book. Gun control doesn’t mean raking your fucking guns and away. Its about preserving the rights of Americans whilist making the country for citizens. Also, it wasn’t Marxism or Communism that killed those people. Megalomaniacal despots used those rhetorics in order to to entice and activate the masses to do their will, while they turned their back on those same people. Mao, Stalin, Polpot, and others used communism as a vehicle to enact policies that would support their totalitarianism.
Turn off the fucking TV and learn some real history.
Also, Gun Control wasn’t eve enacted in Armenia. The Turkish army ordered a mass exodus and SLAUGHTERED men women and children under the guise of recruiting them to fight in the Balkans. Fuck you. Don’t use the genocide to further your bullshit propaganda machine.
Armenia was a part of the Ottoman empire, you idiot. It was the Young Turks and the ottoman government that forced the Armenians to disarm.
That’s just like Florida being a part of the USA (which is a union of 50 nation-states) and the USA enacting gun control, removing gun ownership from all Floridians both in the Florida region and in the USA and then going through and rounding up and killing all Floridians…
Now that that’s a bit more clear for your feeble brain, let’s all take a minute to laugh out loud at the rest of your idiotic statements.
Good day, sir.
Apparently, I’m going to have to lay some intellectual ass-kicking today.
God damn, I hate stupid people.
No. There was no Armenia in the Ottoman Empire. The Armenians were considered a Minority group within The Ottoman Empire. There was no Armenia prior to The end of World War II. Even afterwards, they struggled to be recognized as an independent nation.
Armenia has existed since 2492 BC. They’ve dated the Armenian civilization as far back as 4000 BC!
A tribe led by Hayk defeated Bel and the Babylonians in 2492BC and the tribe settled the region. Armenians call themselves Hye (after Hayk) and call their land Hayastan (which translates to land of the Hye). What’s known as “Armenia”, how the rest of the world refers to the nation, was first referenced in Persian texts as old as ~500 BC.
From biblical history: Hayk was a direct dissident of Noah, who’s Ark is supposedly nestled in the Ararat mountains. I don’t believe in the godly aspects of the bible, but the history of the book is pretty accurate.
Armenia/Hayastan, like almost every nation of that region, has expanded, contracted, been absorbed and annexed by other surrounding nations for thousands of years. Some nations survived this long (Armenia, Persia, Babylon) and others disappeared (Assyria comes to mind). While Armenia’s independence has come and gone, the lands, dialect, culture and the idea of the nation still survives, and has done so for something between 5,000 and 7,000 years.
But yes, Armenia was founded in 1992 because you’re ignorant.
What you think you’re talking about is when the The Ottoman Government disarmed the Armenians within the military. This happened in the first few months of 1915, before they began arresting the prominent members of the Armenian community.
Yes and no. it was not just within the military. Prominent members of the Ottoman society who were Armenian we disarmed, stripped of office or jobs and assets.
Two of my Great-great grandfathers were of those men. On my dad’s side, my family is literally split in two because once the “laws” were in place, they recognized what was coming next and they decided to sell the businesses for pennies on the dollar and run. one side ended up in France, the other in Syria.
Armenians struggled for political recognition as far back has the 1840s.
What you are referring to happened prior to World War I, but you are still wrong. The Armenians in the Ottoman empire were never allowed to have guns, nor were they allowed to serve in the military, or hold any public service jobs.
The first act of Armenian genocide was in 1894. Armenians use April 24th, 1915 as the day of mourning because that’s the day the Armenian leadership was rounded up and citizens were hanged in the streets and the full on assault against Armenians began. Between 1894 and 1915, in 1908, the Young Turks took over the empire. Armenians thought that the killings would stop, but instead, the Young Turks administration brought with it more hate and nationalism. The acts of violence and the laws against being a non-Turkish citizen (especially a Christian citizen) got much worse.
It was not “never”. At a certain point, Armenians in the Ottoman empire owned guns. After the rise of the Young Turks and the laws barring gun ownership, Armenians asked the Russians to send guns and resources, which they did.
During the genocide, many Armenians did fight back, but it was with “illegally” obtained weapons. But it was very little to no use. Out numbered and certainly out-gunned.
Also, they reneged on those terms several times in attempts to get the Armenians to help during the Crimean war, and in numerous Balkan conflicts.
Armenians helped the Turks many times over, acting as a pro-Ottoman buffer zone in battles. Armenians were led to believe they were a part of the ottoman empire. It was the Ottoman alliance with the Germans in WWI that did not sit well with Armenians. They feared that they were on the wrong side of the war and that the Allies along with the powerful Russians would inflict catastrophic losses.
Turks felt this resentment and once they discovered Russian guns and weapons hidden in Armenian cities within the Ottoman empire, they gave orders to “clean” out any remaining Armenian.
Turkish nationalism and national identity are unique in how they developed. Prior to the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire between 1908 and 1922, the people of Turkey identified themselves simply as Muslims. The idea of being a “Turk” or “Turkish” was superseded by the omnipresent Islamic-Ottoman influence that considered the governing body, cultural identity, and religious practice intrinsic. The identification of a person by lineage or ethnicity contradicted Muslim unification. The Ottoman Empire was a multinational state and the task of preservation prevented Turkey from subscribing to a national identity. As the empire’s seat of power, Turkey was responsible for uniting various communities and ethnic groups under the banner of the Islamic-Ottoman rule. While the world around them began fostering nationalistic ideas, Turkey was preoccupied with the preservation of the Ottoman Empire. As a result Turkish people came to the idea of nationalism relatively late in comparison to the French, American and German movements. This late arrival caused anxieties within Turkish society that led to the aggressive pursuit of national interests, culminating in hostility toward outside national groups. The Tanzimat era (1839-76) began with the secularization of the Ottoman Government in 1839, an opportunity to establish religious equality, modernize education and military, and otherwise save the Ottoman Empire. Since 1514 Turkish Armenia existed as Christian millet within the Ottoman Empire. Millets were the only acceptable social divisions within the empire, and each was defined as an inferior religious community. The Turks, by the morals and traditions of Islam, considered themselves a tolerant ruling class, yet tolerance hinged on the assumption that other millets remained inferior. While religious tolerance was part of the reformation on paper, in practice the reform was widely ignored. In 1856 The Treaty of Paris ended the Crimean war and pressured the Empire to enforce the 1839 decree. Again the promise for reform was ignored, causing Armenians to campaign for foreign intervention. After the Russo-Turkish war in 1878, the sixteenth article of the Treaty of San Stefano urged the Porte to “…carry out, without further delay, the ameliorations and reforms demanded by the local requirements in the provinces inhabited by the Armenians, and to guarantee their security against the Kurds and Circassians. The article appeared again, verbatim in the 1878 Treaty of Berlin. The same year the Ottomans formed a parliament and constitutional body consisting of 286 legislative seats, allowing for 139 non-Turks to represent the empire’s various nationalities. When it seemed like true equality and reformation would finally happen, Sultan Hamid II suspended the constitution and evoked absolute rule.
Yes.. do go on… what happened next? Why didn’t they stop him…?
Compounding the frustration of repressed nationalism, the perceived insult of reformation, growing poverty, dwindling population and the pressure of rapid modernization, the Ottoman-Turks found themselves losing dominance in society. Armenian Christians successively found themselves the subject of discrimination under the rule of Muslims: forbidden from military service, barred from governmental positions, forced to pay taxes from which Muslims were exempt, and unable to bear arms.
…OHHHH look at that. They weren’t able to stop Abdul Hamid because HE TOOK AWAY THEIR GUNS!!!!
The Armenians took to long to act and re-arm. They should have protested and nullified and kept their weapons, but they did not. Or at least not soon enough, as I’ll explain later on.
They were able to gain some autonomy through education and commerce, but still faced opposition in the full realization the 1878 promises. The true animosity stems from here specifically; the struggle of the Ottoman-Islamic empire to survive and maintain power amongst a burgeoning nationalistic population demanding fulfillment of promises past.
The “true" animosity stems from the the Hamidian Massacres, in 1894 to 1986, between 80,000 and 300,000 Armenians were slaughtered.
The Armenians should have know that soon as Hamid seized the government, took away rights and power from Armenains and began to “question” the loyalty of Armenians, they were in trouble.
It was the “Armenian Question”.
That was half a decade before the first real massacres took place. Armenians were of the richest and smartest in all of the ottomans. They had the knowledge and the means, they just failed to act soon enough.
Let me drop some reading material on ya, bud.
Akcam- From Empire to republic
Kalaycioglu, -Turkish Dynamics
Nalbadian, L.-The Armenian Revolutionary movement
Bobelian-Children of Armenia.
Fisk-The Great War for Civilization
Balakian The Burning Tigris: The Armenian Genocide and America’s Response
I’ve read most of those and then some. I’m an Armenian, I went to Armenian school, I visit Armenia regularly and conduct business there. My grandfather was a revolutionary who moved back to Armenia in 1946 in a Re-Pat movement to free it from the Soviets. In 1947 he found himself in a Siberian cage. He spent the next 12 years there in isolation.
Peter is a family friend and I’ve read both Tigris and Black Dog of Fate. Raffi Hovannisian is also a close friend of my family. My uncle and I are helping Raffi’s son and his friend work on a full feature film about the Armenian genocide. You don’t have to “drop” reading material on me. I’ve done the reading, the studying, the traveling and the thinking.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the Armenians did not act soon enough. They should have resisted in 1890’s or perhaps even sooner when what they were promised (more liberty/freedom) was never delivered.
ON to the point- there exists a delusional sentiment that the government has the ability and gumption or willingness to actually disarm the citizens. No, thats not going to happen.
But they are doing that. Right now. In California, in New York and in Connecticut. They aren’t just banning guns, they are confiscating them! This is just the start.
Gun control means protecting the rights of Citzens, while also increasing awareness and education of firearms while attempting to keep weapons out of the hands that don’t need them.
"Gun control" means "trigger discipline" and "muzzle direction awareness".
Since when is taking away a natural right from a citizen the same as “protecting” their rights? What kind of broken logic is that?